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From: Frank da Cruz <fdc@panix.com>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: MS-DOS Kermit: release 3.15 or 3.16?
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:50:08 +0000 (UTC)
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On 2006-08-24, Igor Sobrado <igor@nospam.invalid> wrote:
: Igor Sobrado <igor@nospam.invalid> wrote:
:>
:> By the way, you can find the final release at:
:>
:> http://netlab1.usu.edu/pub/kermit/MSK316.ZIP (date: Oct 12, 2003)
:
: It is not obvious how we can make a 3.15 or 3.16 release. For example:
: how can we install 3.15 on top of 3.14? Filenames are not the same
: (e.g., MSK315.EXE vs KERMIT.EXE) and other files are never replaced
: (KERLITE.EXE, KERMITE.EXE vs MSK315[MNL].EXE). In the case of 3.16,
: there are only a lot of C, assembler and header files and a single
: binary -KERMIT.EXE- in the ZIP file. Should we rename these files?
: What about files never replaced (KER[LM]ITE.EXE or the MSK315[MNL].EXE)?
:
This is explained in MSR314.ANN:
KERMIT.EXE is the full version of 3.14.
KERMITE.EXE is the medium version - no networking, no graphics.
KERLITE.EXE is the "Light" version (remote mode only, no communications)
(the Light version was for use in BBS's, to provide a decent Kermit protocol
on the BBS end of the connection).
MSK315[MNL].EXE correspond to those, more or less.
I don't suppose these variants were ever built for 3.16.
: It seems that, even if we rename these files, there will be a mix
: of 3.14/3.15/3.16 binaries and documentation files.
:
It has been a long time since I looked at any of this. 3.14 was the last
integrated release. We didn't have time to do all the updating of
documentation and other files for 3.15, so instead we gave different names to
the executables so the 3.15 files could be installed on top of the 3.14 ones
without destroying anything. Then we did the same thing again with 3.16.
Once you look at all the files that had to be updated -- HLP, BWR, ANN, UPD,
DOC, etc etc, you'll see it's a big job. Not to mention the binaries for
non-IBM-compatibles like the DEC Rainbow, NEC APC, HP-150, Heath/Zenith 100,
etc (which are not much of an issue now, but you never know).
I honestly don't recall 3.16 ever leaving Beta. Either I completely
forgot, or somehow I never knew. I'll check with Joe.
If a complete 3.16 package can be put together (in the form of a ZIP file,
following the 3.14 directory structure), there is no particular need to
keep the 3.14 and 3.15 binaries in it; they are always available in the
archive here.
Another thing to keep in mind; the full IBM PC distribution (the MSVIBM.ZIP
file unzipped) for 3.14 fit on a 1.44MB diskette. I think there were only a
couple bytes to spare! It could be used on a PC that had no hard drive (and
no UNZIP program) simply by sticking it into the diskette drive and running it
from there. That would also be a goal for any new release.
- Frank